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		<title>Comment on NCC meeting 4 July, Part 2 by Stephen</title>
		<link>http://doyoulovems.com/archives/33#comment-11798</link>
		<author>Stephen</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, alot of water's passed under the bridge since you wrote this I know, but you may be interested in this post of Alex Brown's "ISO committee takes full control of OOXML"
http://adjb.net/index.php?entry=entry080409-221633

regards

Stephen (the unsmooth ;-) )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, alot of water&#8217;s passed under the bridge since you wrote this I know, but you may be interested in this post of Alex Brown&#8217;s &#8220;ISO committee takes full control of OOXML&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://adjb.net/index.php?entry=entry080409-221633" rel="nofollow">http://adjb.net/index.php?entry=entry080409-221633</a></p>
<p>regards</p>
<p>Stephen (the unsmooth <img src='http://doyoulovems.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>Comment on Clarification from MS - and time to eat some humble pie? by Gavin</title>
		<link>http://doyoulovems.com/archives/66#comment-895</link>
		<author>Gavin</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://doyoulovems.com/archives/66#comment-895</guid>
		<description>There is no way of combining patents with open source software. There will always be a requirement for an application implementing the open source specification to use technologies protected by a patent.

It is impossible for MS to abandon their patents, as there is no guarantee that other companies would not attept to undermine them, and at the same time they are under pressure to adhere to open standards.
To create an open source standard, which still includes their own inventions and those which they have acquired, they need to turn a blind eye the use of their IP.  There is no guarantee, should they find their market position undermined by these uses of their IP, that their future leadership will not have a change of heart and begin to pursue these patents and take civil action against non-profit organisations which have no method to defend themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no way of combining patents with open source software. There will always be a requirement for an application implementing the open source specification to use technologies protected by a patent.</p>
<p>It is impossible for MS to abandon their patents, as there is no guarantee that other companies would not attept to undermine them, and at the same time they are under pressure to adhere to open standards.<br />
To create an open source standard, which still includes their own inventions and those which they have acquired, they need to turn a blind eye the use of their IP.  There is no guarantee, should they find their market position undermined by these uses of their IP, that their future leadership will not have a change of heart and begin to pursue these patents and take civil action against non-profit organisations which have no method to defend themselves.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Points for National Bodies (NBs) on OpenXML by John Scholes</title>
		<link>http://doyoulovems.com/archives/62#comment-121</link>
		<author>John Scholes</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://doyoulovems.com/archives/62#comment-121</guid>
		<description>Yes, you are right. It may be difficult for a NB to decide on its position. 

I know nothing about the rules or precedents on the Dutch committee. But the UK NB (BSI) also has a "consensus" rule. In the BSI case, consensus has never been that clearly defined, but it is certainly not the same as unanimity. In BSI it is possible for a minority to be overruled provided it is a small minority.

It is unfortunate when there is a consensus rule, and on a particular vote, there is a majority, but no consensus, because that can lead to "Abstain". But it is up to each NB to settle its own procedure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you are right. It may be difficult for a NB to decide on its position. </p>
<p>I know nothing about the rules or precedents on the Dutch committee. But the UK NB (BSI) also has a &#8220;consensus&#8221; rule. In the BSI case, consensus has never been that clearly defined, but it is certainly not the same as unanimity. In BSI it is possible for a minority to be overruled provided it is a small minority.</p>
<p>It is unfortunate when there is a consensus rule, and on a particular vote, there is a majority, but no consensus, because that can lead to &#8220;Abstain&#8221;. But it is up to each NB to settle its own procedure.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Points for National Bodies (NBs) on OpenXML by Rob Weemhoff</title>
		<link>http://doyoulovems.com/archives/62#comment-119</link>
		<author>Rob Weemhoff</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://doyoulovems.com/archives/62#comment-119</guid>
		<description>I am talking about a NB committee. The Dutch committee has a consensus rule, (in effect not distinguishable from unanimity).
My point is that you can not address such a committee as a single entity with one motive and intention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am talking about a NB committee. The Dutch committee has a consensus rule, (in effect not distinguishable from unanimity).<br />
My point is that you can not address such a committee as a single entity with one motive and intention.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Points for National Bodies (NBs) on OpenXML by John Scholes</title>
		<link>http://doyoulovems.com/archives/62#comment-114</link>
		<author>John Scholes</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 13:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://doyoulovems.com/archives/62#comment-114</guid>
		<description>Sorry, you have lost me here. Are you talking about a NB committee? The snag there is that each country tends to have its own procedures (which it is fully entitled to do). The UK BSI procedures are quite different from the US INCITS procedures for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, you have lost me here. Are you talking about a NB committee? The snag there is that each country tends to have its own procedures (which it is fully entitled to do). The UK BSI procedures are quite different from the US INCITS procedures for example.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Points for National Bodies (NBs) on OpenXML by Rob Weemhoff</title>
		<link>http://doyoulovems.com/archives/62#comment-111</link>
		<author>Rob Weemhoff</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://doyoulovems.com/archives/62#comment-111</guid>
		<description>While your observations are very to the point, it looks like you fail to recognize that a NB SC34 mirror committee comprises representatives from both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While your observations are very to the point, it looks like you fail to recognize that a NB SC34 mirror committee comprises representatives from both sides.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Yes with comments&#8221;" and &#8220;abstain&#8221; by Do you love Microsoft? : Maintaining OpenXML if it becomes an ISO/IEC standard</title>
		<link>http://doyoulovems.com/archives/71#comment-104</link>
		<author>Do you love Microsoft? : Maintaining OpenXML if it becomes an ISO/IEC standard</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://doyoulovems.com/archives/71#comment-104</guid>
		<description>[...] letter ballot that closes on 2 September. I have explained in many previous articles, most recently here that about a hundred &#8220;National Bodies&#8221; (NBs) who are ISO members are eligible to vote [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] letter ballot that closes on 2 September. I have explained in many previous articles, most recently here that about a hundred &#8220;National Bodies&#8221; (NBs) who are ISO members are eligible to vote [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Open XML - Take-home messages on voting, Part 2 by Do you love Microsoft? : &#8220;Yes with comments&#8221;" and &#8220;abstain&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://doyoulovems.com/archives/50#comment-100</link>
		<author>Do you love Microsoft? : &#8220;Yes with comments&#8221;" and &#8220;abstain&#8221;</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://doyoulovems.com/archives/50#comment-100</guid>
		<description>[...] of the BRM. So my earlier guess on what the JTC1 Directives meant on that point (which I repeated here) was [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] of the BRM. So my earlier guess on what the JTC1 Directives meant on that point (which I repeated here) was [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Getting down to the nitty-gritty &#8230; Part 4 by Do you love Microsoft? : &#8220;Yes with comments&#8221;" and &#8220;abstain&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://doyoulovems.com/archives/48#comment-99</link>
		<author>Do you love Microsoft? : &#8220;Yes with comments&#8221;" and &#8220;abstain&#8221;</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://doyoulovems.com/archives/48#comment-99</guid>
		<description>[...] by ISO, according to Alex Brown (in Comment 2), who will be the convenor of the BRM. So my earlier guess on what the JTC1 Directives meant on that point (which I repeated here) was [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] by ISO, according to Alex Brown (in Comment 2), who will be the convenor of the BRM. So my earlier guess on what the JTC1 Directives meant on that point (which I repeated here) was [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on USA National Body apparently deadlocked on OpenXML by Do you love Microsoft? : &#8220;Yes with comments&#8221;" and &#8220;abstain&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://doyoulovems.com/archives/69#comment-98</link>
		<author>Do you love Microsoft? : &#8220;Yes with comments&#8221;" and &#8220;abstain&#8221;</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://doyoulovems.com/archives/69#comment-98</guid>
		<description>[...] give a National Body (NB) a ticket to the Ballot Resolution Meeting (BRM). This has recently been clarified by ISO, according to Alex Brown (in Comment 2), who will be the convenor of the BRM. So my earlier [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] give a National Body (NB) a ticket to the Ballot Resolution Meeting (BRM). This has recently been clarified by ISO, according to Alex Brown (in Comment 2), who will be the convenor of the BRM. So my earlier [&#8230;]</p>
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